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Ask not what Democrats must do for you . . .

Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:29:33 PM PDT

It's natural to be discouraged with politicians during stressful moments in election years.  The ramp-up in any major cycle will involve extreme displays of polarized proposals - in law, policy and rhetoric - by most candidates and their supporters.

I feel that this latest series of threats by the Bush Administration to our Constitutional right of habeas corpus, the necessary upholding of international laws covering treatment of prisoners and even the moral notion of whether the USA represents a nation of torturers . . . is mostly election-year politics.

With plenty of ass-covering and neocon ridiculousness, of course.  Sending the cultural assumptions of our electorate towards the "extreme right", relative to our collectively herded implications of what national security actually implies, can only help Republicans to further move future consideration of their insane actions into the realm of fabricated boogeymen and Daddy-Knows-Best policies.

Still, this is not a reason to walk away from our only realistic hope for turning around this tide of dark selfishness.

Consider following me over the flip . . .

I originally posted the following as a comment within a discussion at digby's Hullabaloo, but felt that it probably warranted a more critical viewing audience.

Recent discussions at DKos have led me to believe that this is such an audience.  Here goes.

Calls for not supporting Democratic candidates (or, the general party) are becoming more Election 2000-style, false equivocation garbage that is about as transparently useless now as it was then.

I mean this seriously and without malice to those - like myself - who are feeling disappointed and disillusioned by the current lack of visible fighting en masse against the latest Bush Republican garbage, concerning the legalization of torture, arbitrary suspension of habeus corpus and public airing of our government's insane willingness to represent this nation as not respecting international law or even basic human rights.  In or outside of wartime.

There's some additional context to consider before we tearfully redirect our personal ideals away from the intense, ongoing efforts to promote and improve the Democratic party . . . and look for something else to represent us in the halls of government.

Republicans represent the BIG WHITE GRAB of our century in the USA, which has brought most of us beyond the boundaries of despair and clouded many expectations of achieving healthy, sustainable or secure futures.

Republicans have built up to this point of batshittingly extreme, far-right building of business connections and motivations as the basis of government even more than the DLC, which has merely ridden upon those coattails in attempts to curry related influences.  Albeit, poorly and as second-class citizens in the political world.

ALL that we have complained about up to this point has been uniquely, unilaterally and uniformly created from the minds of immensely grandiose, insanely selfish plans of far-right conservatives under the Bush Republican umbrella.  It has grown since at least late Carter days, but all has culminated as actionable ends NOW.  Means are justifying the ends, both being horrible for the majority of USA citizens - and now, much of the world where we invest resources of almost any kind.  Whether it's slave-based work and prostitution in foreign states to support our cheap imports, or industry policies meant to support corporate ownership and related Executive profits, all such notions have been solidified by Bush and his Republican enablers.

Again, organizations such as the DLC and sympathetic, careful Democratic politicians have primarily supported elements of this overall movement up until now - perhaps not seeing, or even considering, the possibility of what was hoped by scheming Republican businesspeople to occur some day - and I consider such enabling politicians, lobbyists and others to have been either living in the structure too tightly and/or not being cynical enough to accept that the previously idealistic notions of prosperity and rights in this country could be placed into a box and set aflame quite so easily.  I do blame collective inaction and lazy minds, simple political profiteers and surely the true, triangulating bastards on all sides in varying, contextual measures . . . but, even all those folks only helped to buy the ammo.

The Bush Administration has taken off all the safeties, loaded the guns.  And, they've begun firing.  People are dying in all sorts of horrible ways, not always quickly.

Think about this.

Democrats have been relatively powerless since 09/11/2001 and frankly showing confusion that any party - let alone individual, aberrant pockets within a party - could be so intensely bent on pulling all manner of power, influence and markets into their pockets by boldly using the United States government as a primary enabler to access their business channels of choice.

It's all about the money.

And, in these furious, righteously anguished comments at DKos and similar sites, we have the impractical and unfortunately myopic notion that Democratic party members in office are either hopelessly naive or actually seek to become the new Bush Republicans.

Do you have other options that you can point to which won't take another 15 years to build into national prominence against what the Bush Republicans are now solidifying?

No, you don't.  I don't, either.

Look, many of us have said that things would get worse before they got better.  We're in the downturn now.  The Bush Administration is pulling the triggers to some heavy guns just before an election.

I am sad, incredibly mad and frightened for the future of my children.  Just like many of us - we are peers.

So.

Graft and pork is usual in politics.

Openly and brazenly raping a country's mind and infrastructure, regardless of short-term injury or long-term disease to the country being assaulted, in the eyes of the ENTIRE FUCKING WORLD has nothing to do with politics as usual.

No.

It is a brand new, violent revolution in the USA we are living through - by a few people, for a few people.

The Bush Republicans are pulling triggers and firing.

Some of our representatives and hopefuls will stand in front of the guns and hope to survive, showing their strength to the nation.  Others just want to tactically avoid the guns and fight another day, when our strength has been increased after the elections, I suppose.

The core Democrats did not pull these triggers.  We need them to help disarm the Republicans, more than ever.

Please stay and fight, from rage funnelled into purpose, if so desired. We can make change happen far more easily with Democrats than with contemporary Republicans. One day, perhaps the conservative Republicans will be rebelling against their party for following the successful Democratic policies made over gains of 20-30 future years. I am not implying that Democratic representatives will make change on their own, not at all - for, as New Deal democrat stated in the comments section:

It is the job of the grass roots and activists to make sure that the easiest, most abjectly craven route for a congresscritter to take, is to stand with us on our principles.
I feel that will matter most (from a practical standpoint) after we displace enough of the trigger-pulling Republicans with our own folks to actually be effective.

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  •  Flames and suggestions welcome (7+ / 0-)

    I wear no asbestos, we're all equals here.

    And, I suspect we're all hotly mad about some things.  Let's use that energy to get even more busy in support of Democratic majority in Congress, perhaps.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:30:22 PM PDT

  •  Maybe that is the problem (2+ / 0-)

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    I think what is happening to a large extent is Democrats are sick of the very same fear. The entire "live to fight another day" attitude. I can understand why this anger happens. For years Republicans have been going on and on about how they hold the moral highground, and Democrats have been going along. Some democrats like Leiberman have toed the line and earned mucho Republican respect. I can understand why a Democrat wants his party to take a stand and not back down. So, yes, why I do agree leaving a party because of how they are going to vote on one thing is extreme, but isn't it fair that Democrats are tired of their leaders caving in all the time? Otherwise, this `other' day that they wait for may be too late.

    •  Agreed, we make our own displeasure known (1+ / 0-)

      forcefully to our Democratic representatives and candidates.

      As we've seen in the past couple years alone, even some safe folks in DC have altered their public stances after being stung by constituents.  I believe that the challenge to Senator Lieberman - being an extreme example of a double-dealing, triangulating Democratic politician - is having an effect on elected members in our party.  Ned Lamont's very presence against Joe Lieberman has helped to bring the Iraq War into a publicly acceptable campaign footing, IMHO.

      LTEs, calls into DC offices, etc. can only help us.

      Backing the best (or, sometimes only) Democratic candidates can only help us, overall.

      There is no other counterweight to the Republicans right now.

      We must show that this will not stand.  We elect for change, and after our folks are in office, more Joe Liebermans will be challenged in a very public manner.  That's been my expectation.

      Even a Congress of moderates would be better than a rubber stamp for far-right, extreme businessmen.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:52:49 PM PDT

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      •  That sir... (2+ / 0-)

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        I totally agree with.

        Do as I say or I'll foresake you- is a very old testament like thing to do. However, one thing that I found unique about all liberals was the ability to express dissent without feeling they have compromised their position.

        To me, the democrats stand for far more than that. Even if Obama votes for the legalization of torture, I know there are a gazillion other things why I'd prefer him to most Republicans. And I think even the most hardened, disappointed Democrat owes us atleast what he will then start seeing as the "lesser of the two evils"

        Thanks for this post. You actually became my first subscription!

  •  My disjointed, unedited remark (2+ / 0-)

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    God I wish I could edit these comments. I loved your entry, and I thought it was very intelligently argued. I will also state that I wouldn't support dessertion just because of the position taken on one topic. However, and this is a big however, I think it is about bloody time Democrats stop pussyfooting around core issues. To a true democrat, this is not about consolidation, it is about selling out. By legalizing torture, Democrats are not `waiting to fight another day', but a continuation of the `toeing the line' policy that reached fever pitch with democrats sactioning the Iraq war.

    After dealing with the lies and distortions of the Republican government, the least a democrat can now expect is that they will have a few politicians who will stand up to it. Rather lose with honor than win as a Leiberman, I say. But that is just me.

  •  Looking for the central thesis (1+ / 0-)

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    in this interesting but somewhat diffuse diary.

    ...intensely bent on pulling all manner of power, influence and markets into their pockets by boldly using the United States government as a primary enabler to access their business channels of choice. It's all about the money.

    ... nothing to do with politics as usual. No.It is a brand new, violent revolution in the USA we are living through - by a few people, for a few people. The Bush Republicans are pulling triggers and firing.

    But where does that take us?  We need the core Democrats "to help disarm the Republicans". Will they?  Can they?  We all fear deeply.

    If we don't "stay", where would we go?  

    There is no "away".  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:47:41 PM PDT

    •  Yes, we feel concern (1+ / 0-)

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      and fear is what Republicans desire from us the most.

      Division is their primary tactic.  It is a diversion, I feel.

      I accept the thesis being diverse, most of this was along the theme of hoping we share a desire to stick with our party as the best means for enabling change, and not let the division being sowed by Bush et al cause us to question our motivations or dampen our desires going into this election cycle.  I truly believe this is all happening now for a reason - that's the trigger pulling cause and effect.

      Where would we go?  That's an excellent observation/rhetorical question, and certainly one of my points, as well.  You are absolutely correct, I feel: there is no "away".

      Only fury clouding our eyes.  Like dust being thrown in the air weeks before elections . . . by Republicans.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:58:07 PM PDT

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      •  Oops, substitute "diffuse" for "diverse" (1+ / 0-)

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        to complement your accurate description of my currently formed narrative, above.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 01:36:59 PM PDT

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  •  Never expect "leadership" from Congress (3+ / 0-)

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    that just isn't the way it works, and it never has.

    Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton made major mistakes early in their terms by kowtowing to the Congressional democratic majorities, which cared a lot more about their sinecures than they did about standing up for principles.  Given the opportunity, the reflex of your typical congresscritter of either party is to be a craven, go-along to get-along coward.

    It is the job of the grass roots and activists to make sure that the easiest, most abjectly craven route for a congresscritter to take, is to stand with us on our principles.

    "When the going gets tough, the tough get 'too big to fail'."

    by New Deal democrat on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:48:06 PM PDT

  •  I've been disappointed (4+ / 0-)

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    by the Democratic leadership for quite some time.  They make a stand on issues that they know will pass, such as CAFTA, and then they "keep the powder dry" on judges and torture.  I have often wondered if the reason they didn't bring up the K-Street Project more during the '04 election is that they intend to do the same when they take over.

    I will own my 1 home after 108 more mortgage payments.

    by rogereaton on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 12:54:57 PM PDT

    •  I believe they haven't brought it up as much (1+ / 0-)

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      as we would hope is because they've been relatively powerless to stop it.

      Call out corruption in the days of Republicans having defined the country's goals since Reagan as, "profit at any expense, all for yourself" is probably kinda tough - especially after 09/11/2001 was abused by BushCo to get people thinking fearfully about their own means of surviving, let alone succeeding, in the new world he has helped downgrade.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed Sep 27, 2006 at 01:00:53 PM PDT

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  •  I got an email about this from Coleen Rowley (1+ / 0-)

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    just the other day.  

    “Mother Teresa herself could not withstand the financial and political pressures that now exist in Congress and would, in short order, become corrupt.”  [quoting herself]  

    That’s actually also John Kline’s tragic story,  a “Candidate” starting off as a mere right-wing ideologue without sufficient funds and losing twice, he finally won favor with the big money Republican special interests on his third try and voila we now have a right-wing ideologue who’s also been corrupted-- bought and paid for.

    The rampant special interest corruption that NO ONE except Common Cause and other good government groups are willing to speak out about IS the problem.  Until we fix the corrupting influence, you can elect all the otherwise good saints in the country and they won’t stay that way for long....
     
    ... I don’t think we should ever stone anyone or burn them at the stake for their transgressions but WE DO NEED to realize and try to fix the transgressions and the only way we can do that is to speak out strongly AGAINST THE TRANSGRESSIONS.  In other words, if we all know we’re just a bunch of terrible sinners and no one is subject to falling off their false pedestal to begin with, than we are all free to CRITICIZE as fiercely as need be to get some improvement....  

    [About mudslinging] ...it’s hard [for voters] to separate degrees of worseness.  Just tarnishing the Dems a little will work so the voters think all politicians are alike.

    But this IS the system’s fault.  And until someone decides to buck it, it won’t matter who is elected, it will continue to drag everyone down and the country along with it.  If it is impossible to win without the big bucks, they will continue to corrupt EVERY good Robert Redford candidate that comes along.    

    I think the way to handle this is along lines of Martin Luther King’s “You can’t hate the sinner, but you can hate the sin.”  STAY STRONGLY CRITICAL of the corruption as an institutional problem.   The Dems actually did call for some significant reforms but the Republican majority totally abdicated their responsibility. I think in everyone’s heart, even some who have been part of the bad system, they would like to see it cleaned up.

    If you like her approach to the issue, click on 'elections' in my sig and give her some spendable mojo!

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